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[00:02] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Hi, I’m Mike Dilke and you’re listening to the Relax Back UK Show, the show that explores all kinds of health topics relevant to you, your family, and your friends. Each week I talk to expert guests from a range of backgrounds to inform and entertain you. So please do join the Relax Back UK family and stay tuned.

[00:21] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Hi, and thank you for joining me on the Relax Back UK Show. My guests this week are Dr. Nikita Kanani of Neko Health and Dr. Hilary Jones, who is a GP. The topic is preventative health, and in particular, the Neko Scan.

[00:36] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
…is we’ve got a mix of light, thermal, ultrasound, and pulse wave imaging. So nothing—no radiation…

[00:46] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
It measures all kinds of things including visceral fat.

[00:49] Dr. Hilary Jones (General Practitioner & TV Medical Expert):
You know, you can’t tell a sausage by its skin. You can’t look at someone and say, “Oh, you’re normal weight, you’re healthy.” It doesn’t work like that, unfortunately. So measuring visceral fat is really quite important, because as we’ve heard, it’s a predictor of cardiovascular disease and diabetes, for example.

[01:05] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
So please do stay tuned to hear all about it and how potentially useful it is.

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[01:16] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
First of all, I suggested to Dr. Hilary that as a GP he must have suggested to a lot of patients, very tactfully of course, that they should maybe lose a bit of weight, drink a bit less, eat slightly better, or do more exercise—that kind of thing. But I asked him if he really had much success when doing that.

[01:37] Dr. Hilary Jones (General Practitioner & TV Medical Expert):
Yes, we do have success with that. People do listen if you praise the motivation in the right way. And if you can back up what you say with some facts, such as “Let’s take a look at your blood pressure, look at this, let me tell you what that means. Let’s look at your cholesterol, let me tell you what that means,” then people suddenly look at numbers and they can see how numbers change over a period of time depending on their behavioral lifestyle. And you can actually increase their motivation to do something about their weight or their smoking habits or their bad nutrition. And it’s actually very satisfying to get people to change and to get them to realize how much better they feel, not just how much healthier they are, but how much better they feel when they do it.

[02:27] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
You must—you must be a lot more persuasive than my GP then, Hilary, because, you know, I find it difficult. So I’m a bit fat and I could do with drinking a bit less and doing a bit more exercise, etc. And when my doctor tells me that, I must admit it kind of glosses over me and I do sort of ignore it a little bit. So I tried another tack. I thought, “Right, let’s do something. Let’s do this whole wearable thing.” Now, I’m sure you’ve come across patients that have wearables, and I thought, “This is it. I’m going to get loads of information, and I’ll be able to track my health in all sorts of different variables.” But the result was just loads more data that I then ignored! So have you found wearables are useful in kind of persuading patients to up the ante?

[03:27] Dr. Hilary Jones (General Practitioner & TV Medical Expert):
There’s no doubt that some people, particularly younger people, do love their wearables. 45% of adults are now using a wearable for their health in some shape or form, whether it’s a smartwatch or a Garmin or an Oura Ring. And they quite like to see what their sleep patterns are, what their heart rate is, or their heart rate variability is. They quite like this, how many steps they’ve done. It’s not for me—I’d just rather get out there and do something. But they like it because they can actually monitor what’s going on over a period of time. And anything that gives them that kind of information is useful, provided the information comes with knowledge, comes with the correct interpretation. And that’s why about 90% of people say, “I quite like having the data, but I’m not quite sure what it all means. I’m not confident about interpreting it.” And I always say to people: if you notice something that’s certainly a bit out of the ordinary, go and talk to a healthcare professional and just run it past them. Wearables are fine, but they don’t do the exercise for you.

[04:30] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Well, absolutely. And I’m not totally convinced that they do make us change our behavior. There’s a fabulous comedian who I’m sure you’ve heard of, Miles Jupp. And he invented a new word: “app-nauseam.” And I suffer from app-nauseam! You know, I’ve got an exercise watch that tells me all this marvelous data, and I think I’m pretty normal—I ignore it. I’m sure a lot of people do ignore it. But your experience seems to be slightly different, potentially?

[05:03] Dr. Hilary Jones (General Practitioner & TV Medical Expert):
Yeah, and let me explain. So wearables are okay for some people; they’re not necessary for everybody. But if you can integrate your wearable data with a regular healthcare check, there is no doubt, and there’s very good evidence that we have from a three-year survey carried out by Neko Health, that integrating that data with a check-up with a healthcare professional really can change your health and your future behavior. So, for example, it can help to reduce your biological age of your heart. It can help to get people to quit smoking. It can get people to spot problems before they cause symptoms, which is great.

[05:47] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
That is great. Well, this is a good time to bring in Dr. Nikki, because you have a system that might be able to help people like me that are very good at ignoring data.

[06:01] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
[Laughs] Well, look, I think what you describe, first of all, it’s really common, isn’t it? We have lots of apps, we have lots of trackers, and our study showed, our survey showed that people don’t know what to do with the data, as Hilary said. And I think what’s really important is getting that translation—having a way to understand what the data tells you and what you need to do about it. So we look after people by offering them a preventative health scan that pulls signals through a scan, that pulls signals from multiple sources simultaneously. So we look at skin, we look at your cardiovascular health, your body composition, and these wearables, and then together with a clinician for about half an hour, go through that data and understand what it means for you. So contextualize it for you and what it means for you in your personal health. And I think what’s really interesting is, you know, once off, that’s important: it gives us lots of information about your health status, it helps us find conditions that you might not otherwise know you have. But really importantly, when you have the scan—the Neko Scan—over time, we see that we get a much more personalized picture of you and we understand what’s happening to you over time. And that’s when it gets interesting, Mike. And we do find that people are smoking less, they’re exercising more, of course. But it’s that structured support year on year, or more frequently than that, that makes the difference—the support from a clinician that can translate that data and help give people really tangible things that they can take away.

[07:32] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Okay. No, I would agree with that. You mentioned this scan. Tell us a bit more about this scan, because scans can mean anything. What is it—X-rays, sound waves? What have we got going on?

[07:44] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Yeah, so no X-rays. We’ve got a mix of light, thermal, ultrasound, and pulse wave imaging. So no radiation. The scan itself takes about an hour.

[07:56] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Pulse wave?

[07:58] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Pulse waves, yeah.

[07:59] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
So what’s that? What are you pulsing at me?

[08:02] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
[Laughs] So, yeah, exactly. There’s sound and light and ultrasound so that we can get a range of different images to understand the body better. So there’s three main parts. One is the external body: high-resolution imaging, 3D cameras, thermal sensors. That primarily tells us two things. One is it does a complete mapping of your skin, looking for any moles or lesions that might be suspicious or could become suspicious over time, because again, we can track these lesions over time and say, “Well, that lesion on your back, number 47, year one this is what it looks like, year two it looks slightly different, we should do something about that.”

[08:40] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
So how does this work? Do I sort of strip off and walk into something like a telephone box?

[08:44] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
[Laughs] When you walk into the—and I’m sure Hilary can share his experience here—but when you walk into the clinic, the thing that you’ll notice is it doesn’t really feel like a health clinic. It feels like—some people say it feels a bit sci-fi, a bit spa-like—but it’s meant to make you feel cared for and looked after. So the experience is really important here, because actually that’s an integral part of getting your health assessed. And often we’re used to—I mean, Hilary and I both work in NHS general practice, and it is phenomenal for what we can do in the time and the space we have, but the space doesn’t often feel very welcoming. It’s hard to engage with your healthcare when it doesn’t feel like a space where you can be well in.

[09:24] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Okay, so you come in, get a cup of coffee, and then strip off and get into something that looks like a telephone box?

[09:29] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
[Laughs] Yeah. I mean, it does look a bit like a tube, telephone box. You have a gown on, usually keep your underpants on. You go in with an operator who is often sort of a healthcare assistant. The scanner, the skin scanner that I mentioned is a giant tube, so you go inside it, you hand your robe out, and the scanner takes, you know, thousands of images of your body, looking, as I said, at lesions, but also at your body composition. Then you come onto a couch, a bed that does a range of other measurements. So we look at your cardiovascular and circulatory function, we do your ECG and your blood pressure in both arms and your legs as well. And then we do some other markers as well: your grip strength, a really comprehensive blood panel—about 53 blood tests. And the most meaningful thing is when you come out of that scanning experience and you get changed into your daywear out of your gown, by the time you’ve changed and you come in with your doctor, with your clinician in a different room, all the results are ready. And that, I think, is what’s unique, Mike. You’re not waiting for a couple of weeks or trying to get another appointment with someone. All of those insights, by the time you come through, are packaged up into an avatar on a screen, and then we work through those different bits of information with you. So your clinician will say, “You know, these are the things that you’re doing really well, these are the things where we might need additional kind of insights, you might need to think more deeply about your diet,” etc.

[11:00] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Let me interrupt you. After this scan, let’s hone in on a couple of the things that you might get told, because you mentioned this kind of skin mapping. So this is mole mapping, is it? Looking for differences, potential moles that might be a cause for concern regarding cancer?

[11:19] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Exactly. Exactly.

[11:21] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Okay. I’ve got a question about that. Because everybody’s skin is different, and skin cancers and moles look different on my skin or someone who is from, you know, Africa, who’s got black skin. And I think, well, previously doctors are often taught and shown things on a white person’s skin. So is your scan clever enough to tell the difference and figure out there’s potentially something wrong on anybody’s skin?

[11:56] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Yes. So we were in research and development from, well, from 2018 to 2023, developing particularly this skin scanner and particularly testing it on different skin tones and types, so that then that imaging could pick up the differential. And Mike, I’m so glad you brought this up because it’s one of the things that, you know, I went to medical school, Hilary did, and all of our textbooks would have looked at everything on white skin, and usually white male skin. And we weren’t able to understand that difference very well. And education has got better now, but the training models are what’s really important. So the skin scanner is trained on different skin types so that it isn’t, you know, better in your skin than—for listeners, I’ve got brown skin—so it isn’t better in your skin than my skin, because it’s trained equally across skins.

[12:48] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Because it’s trained—is this the big AI?

[12:51] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Well, I mean, we’ve still got strongly humans running this. There is an element of AI that can look at skins that’s available. We are very clear that we have a clinician as part of this, and a clinician…

[13:07] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
I was going to ask about that, because is there any research that shows that this is any different from, you know, getting a once-over from a dermatologist?

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[16:15] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
…So there is, and I think the difference is we can look at so many lesions at one time, and we’ll find things that people, you know, often I’ll speak to members and they will have had an appointment in the NHS or even with a private dermatologist looking—and, you know, they’re very good private dermatologists—but because we can look at such a 360 image of you, we can pick up many more lesions. I mean, even on me, I tend to have about 840 lesions. And, you know, when I first had my scan, I imagined, well, I’ve probably got about five or six. And because then you can track that over time, that’s what’s important.

[16:55] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
840 lesions? Is that normal? That sounds like it’d scare the hell out of you!

[17:00] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
[Laughs] No, it’s actually completely fine, and, you know, about right for me and my skin tone. And that’s what the clinician can talk through with you as well.

[17:09] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
And then if we find anything, we triage that finding first with our own dermatologist, so we have a look at it, we have a look at it under a dermatoscope, so that we don’t send somebody off into an NHS dermatology clinic until we’re absolutely sure that they need that extra review, biopsy, removal.

[17:28] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Right. So have you actually done any trials to show that this help is better or as good as just a dermatologist?

[17:36] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Yeah, we have. And we are very close to publishing it in a national journal—it’s in preprint at the moment. We’re not far off publishing it. But what I can tell you is, when you look at skin, if you look at a number of lesions, the numbers that you need to refer to find a melanoma in typical kind of general practice—if I was in a normal general practice and I hadn’t done particular skin training, I would probably refer, you know, 20 to 30 people with lesions where one would turn out to be a melanoma. In a dermatology clinic, so a skin specialist, they would do maybe 10 to 14. A specialist dermatologist who’s an expert in melanomas would refer about 6 to 8 to find a melanoma. And a Neko clinician, a Neko scan? 5 to 6! I mean, it is outstanding, Mike. The number of people, the accuracy at which we are finding very early skin changes…

[18:45] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
So potentially a lot more efficient, which is good for everyone.

[18:48] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Good for everyone.

[18:49] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Let me ask you about something else that this scan can find out. A lot of people now talk about visceral fat. Now, I must admit I don’t really know what visceral fat is, so perhaps you can tell me first of all what visceral fat is, and whether this fancy scanner can measure it, find it, whatever?

[19:10] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Absolutely. So, I mean, it’s interesting, isn’t it, how things become more popular to talk about and less popular. So yes, we hear more about kind of visceral fat and body composition, but I think that’s important because up until now, the way that we’ve measured the human body is a BMI, body mass index, so that looks at weight and height. But it takes into account nothing around your muscle mass, your fat, and your fat distribution, and that’s what’s really important. Fat can be distributed in different places, but when it is around the internal organs and around the abdomen, that’s when it can cause particular issues, particularly cardiovascular issues. So our scanner works with, again, you know, we’ve done a lot of research in terms of the different elements of the scanner that’s been built in. And when we use the body composition element through the skin scanner—so that’s a set of thermal imagery—we can look at visceral fat. And we don’t, again, we don’t look at that in isolation. We look at that alongside your cardiovascular markers, your liver markers. So, you know, is your liver looking less healthy through the blood tests? Does it look like there might be additional fat around the liver? Okay, in that case we need to do an additional liver scan. So what we try to do again is all triangulate things, not looking at one thing on its own, but triangulating the information that we get so that we can give you actionable insights on the day. You’re not left sort of hanging thinking, “Oh well, I need to now put this into ChatGPT to understand what this information tells me.”

[20:38] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
So visceral fat though is under the skin. What bit of the scanner gets under my skin and measures fat around my liver or whatever it might be? Because presumably this isn’t just light, is it? Or is it?

[20:50] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
No, so it’s thermal images. It’s light and thermal images.

[20:54] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Thermal, okay.

[20:55] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Exactly.

[20:57] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Okay. Am I going to get a nice warm sensation from this scan?

[21:02] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
That’s a great question! Just for a moment. So you stand facing—well, Hilary, how did it feel for you? Because you had it done just recently.

[21:10] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Yeah, you went in and stripped off, did you, Hilary?

[21:12] Dr. Hilary Jones (General Practitioner & TV Medical Expert):
I did! [Laughs] Yeah, yeah, you could have seen me stripped down to the, you know, to the nitty gritty. No, it’s very straightforward. So the measurement of visceral fat—viscera, by the way, is a good medical term for your innards. Viscera, lovely word, isn’t it? The viscera. Anyway, we’re talking about the invisible fat around the heart, around the abdominal organs, the bits you can’t see. And it’s really interesting that you can have a body like the Statue of David and still have a lot of internal fat and have a higher risk of heart disease. You know, you can’t tell a sausage by its skin. You can’t look at someone and say, “Oh, you’re normal weight, you’re healthy.” It doesn’t work like that, unfortunately. So measuring visceral fat is really quite important because, as we’ve heard, it’s a predictor of cardiovascular disease and diabetes, for example. So I had it done, didn’t feel a thing. It’s very straightforward. At the same time, they’re measuring my blood pressure on all four limbs, they’re measuring the blood flow through my body from…

[22:26] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
So the scanner is measuring your blood pressure as well, is it?

[22:29] Dr. Hilary Jones (General Practitioner & TV Medical Expert):
No, no, no, you’ve got cuffs. You’ve got cuffs.

[22:31] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Okay, right, right, right.

[22:32] Dr. Hilary Jones (General Practitioner & TV Medical Expert):
Right, but you’re having it done at the same time, which is why the whole thing, you know, is done and dusted within 60 minutes, and you’ve had your consultation with your healthcare professional as well.

[22:42] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Okay. And so how long were you actually in the scan for?

[22:46] Dr. Hilary Jones (General Practitioner & TV Medical Expert):
Oh, probably two minutes.

[22:49] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Okay, so not terribly long. Did they turn the heating up for you, Hilary?

[22:53] Dr. Hilary Jones (General Practitioner & TV Medical Expert):
Well, what’s nice is when the lights come on, because you need a lot of light, it’s lovely and warm. It’s like getting into a hot bath. But it only lasts a couple of seconds and then suddenly you feel cold again. Then you turn around and you have the other side of the body done. And, you know, I can tell you that for me, that skin scan was really important for me. When I was a little boy, I wasn’t always as conscious about putting on the sunscreen as I should have been. [Laughs] And I ended up with some really bad sunburn in my youth. And of course, sun damage is an accumulated risk over a lifetime. But whereas Nikki’s got 860 skin issues which are pretty normal, pretty average, I’ve got over 2,000! And I could see how some of them had changed since my previous scan. And that’s what’s important. So it’s a reminder to me to put on my SPF cream, sunscreen, reminds me that three of those areas needed to be referred to the dermatologist, and I’m waiting for the results.

[24:02] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Okay, interesting. So it worked for you. This scan sounds very interesting. Let me ask you sort of another question about how it manages to measure something, because I think in the literature it says you can measure your heart mechanical function. So this is something going on right inside that is measured with a scan. Did I get that bit right, Nikki? How does it do that?

[24:23] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Well, so again, we’ve got the skin scanner element, and then we have—you’re walked over to a couch where, you know, a standard sort of looking couch, but where we do a range of other tests: the blood pressure on four limbs, the ECG, and then we use ultrasound and we look at your pulse wave forms. So what we’re doing there is looking at your macro and microvasculature. So how is the heart not just pumping blood, but pumping it all the way around to the soles of the feet? Those little vessels right at the bottom, at the sole of the feet, the little capillaries, are they getting the blood and therefore the oxygenation that you’d expect, or are they not? Is your cardiovascular function, your heart function compromised? So we look at that alongside, obviously, your age and your blood tests as well. And we use a validated, again a validated tool called the QRISK score, which is a validated tool that we use in this country. And we use that information to come up with a heart age, and I think Dr. Hilary mentioned it. And you can look at that heart age in the context of your other results to understand: is it about where you are now? Is it a few years younger? Is it a bit older? And what can we do, what advice can we give you to improve that heart age?

[25:39] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Okay. So you’ve got this marvelous scanning machine that measures all kinds of things, and some of it is—the results to prove that it actually works is about to be published in a peer-reviewed journal. It hasn’t been yet, so you’re hoping it gets through the hoops of all the different peers, they read what you’ve done and say, “Yep, that makes sense, it seems to work.” Does all this stuff—do you have proof, evidence that it really does absolutely change people’s behavior for the better?

[26:10] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Yeah, absolutely. So we’ve just published our year three data, and that looked at 80,000 scans that were performed last year in 2025, and that was across Sweden and the UK. And about 9,000 of those 80,000 scans were people who were coming back for a repeat scan. And so looking at that particularly, when people come back to see us, we are seeing across seven biomarkers—so blood pressure, cholesterol, weight, your sugars—that those biomarkers are improving year on year. When we’ve found something wrong—so a chronic condition, for example—those biomarkers improve more, two and a half times more than the healthy population. We find that people’s heart age—and this is fascinating—it should increase, you know, every 12 months by 12 months…

[27:04] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Heart age! Now, when people talk about body age, I’ve got to say that kind of worries me, because there’s not a standard for any of this, is there?

[27:12] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Well, so let me break that down. So people talk about lots of different ages now: biological age, you know, metabolic age, heart age. Heart age is a validated tool. It is this QRISK tool that we use in general practice in the NHS, but this has additional kind of markers within it. So there’s two parts to this, Mike. One is, we are learning. The reason that we collect this data, the reason that we publish it openly is because we will learn, we can do more research, we can do more trials, we can develop the technology and improve it and give a better offer for people. But we do use, where there’s validated tools available, we use validated tools as well, because that’s obviously really important.

[27:54] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Okay. So that kind of answers the question that this is not just for the worried well. It is actually changing people’s behavior and they are becoming more well, if that’s a term.

[28:06] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Absolutely. Absolutely. So year on year, despite doing more scans actually, we’re finding that the life-threatening conditions rate—so people that have to be referred to A&E straightaway on that day—stays at about 1%. So we’re not picking up kind of more false positives as we scan more people, which is important. And the thing is, with the worried well, actually I want people who are worried to come in, you know? Because actually…

[28:35] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Being worried is bad for you!

[28:37] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Well, I think there is something really important about, whether you use wearables or not, having the opportunity to understand your body better earlier, so that you can do things that avoid you getting these downstream conditions that ultimately, you know, we all know have a huge burden on your quality of life, on the health system. So the more we can do to help people engage with their health and be as healthy as possible, the better.

[29:03] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Okay. And so where is this service available?

[29:06] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
So currently we are in London, Manchester, and Birmingham in this country. We’re in Stockholm in Sweden, which is where our founder team are, and we’re launching in the US next week.

[29:21] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
All right. So Dr. Hilary, back to you. As a GP, would you refer patients to this scan? Presumably it’s not available on the NHS, but if it was, could you, would you refer people like that?

[29:38] Dr. Hilary Jones (General Practitioner & TV Medical Expert):
I could recommend. I can’t refer, as it were, on the NHS, but I can recommend. You know, the truth is that in general practice, we have on average seven minutes per patient to deal with multiple problems, and it’s completely inadequate. We do our very best. But, you know, even if people come in for their NHS screening, it’s pretty basic. We can’t do those skin scans. We can’t do all the tests that we’ve been talking about in this interview. And for I think a very good value, people can go and have a Neko scan and get all this measured, talk to a physician, and get the motivation they need. We’ve been talking about the worried well, and of course any worries should be addressed. But even the people in whom we find no symptoms, who have no symptoms and who are well, also improve their health going forward after having repeated Neko scans.

[30:43] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Very good. Very good. All right. One final question to you both—it’s going to be sort of two questions wrapped up. You said this is good value. How much is it? And also, if people want to find out more, is a good place to find out some good information about it—presumably you’ve got a website or something?

[31:02] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Yeah, absolutely. The scan is £299. And within that, we do the scan, we do the consultation, and if you need additional sort of blood tests or follow-up tests, we do that as well. And you can find out more at nekohealth.com. Just type it into your browser and it’ll direct you. And do look at the information first. Look at what’s in the—you know, what’s on offer, but also the data, so that you can understand yourself—Mike, as in, I mean, listeners—listeners can understand sort of what the data is showing and why it’s important to get ahead of your health.

[31:36] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Excellent. Dr. Hilary and Dr. Nikki, thank you very much indeed for taking the time to chat about this.

[31:42] Dr. Nikita Kanani (Lead Clinician, Neko Health):
Pleasure.

[31:43] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Thank you very much to my guests on this week’s show. They were Dr. Nikita Kanani of Neko Health and GP Dr. Hilary Jones. Thank you to you for listening, and please do remember: if you suffer from a bad back or you’re worried about your posture, particularly when you sit at your desk, have a look at my website, relaxbackuk.com. You can see all about the Backapp chair there, which has helped literally hundreds of people, could help you. Have a look, and you can arrange to try a Backapp chair for free if you wish. Thank you to you again for listening, and have a healthy week. Until next week.

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[35:24] Mike Dilke (Host, The Relax Back UK Show):
Thanks for listening to the Relax Back UK Show! Join me, Mike Dilke, again next week for more fascinating interviews and chat. If you’re listening to the podcast version, please subscribe, like, and share it with your family and friends. And have a healthy week, until next week. [Music fades out]